From Tracy;
I work in a casino on the strip. Most machines pay within
the first 6 pulls .I don't advise 3 coin machines unless your already
ahead. Start on 2 coin play no more than $12.00.If you feel good about
the machine count your pulls between wins if you can't get back your
$12.00 within the first 6 pulls move.Time of the night is also important
as I have worked all three shifts. between the hours of 3:00A.M. and
4:30 It's clean-up time on the machines.
Bill,
Wonderful advice, I whole-heartedly agree that luck is the biggest factor
in winning. When my wife and I go to Biloxi, we simply figure out how
much we can afford to blow (lose), and then go have fun. When we're out of
our allowance, we go home, and we NEVER carry our credit card with us.
Beware the person who claims to have a "system" for winning, only the
casinos do. See ya later!
Bill,
I just got back from Tunica, Miss. and gambled for 3 days. I am a table
games man but I do play the slots from time to time. I read your web page
and I agree with you that the first few pulls are the ones that pay off.
Example: Upon leaving the Grand in Tunica, Miss. the other two couples we
went with decided to pool $100.00 a couple and run it through the $5.00 slots
as a last ditch effort to recoup our losses. In the first few pulls of the
first $100.00 dollar bill we were ahead $200.00 dollars. Needless to say no
one wanted to stop and before you know it, still playing the same machine, it
was all gone. In the mean time, one of the people from our group had put
$5.00 in another machine, and hit $240.00 on the second pull, cashed in, and
went to another machine and hit $100.00 on another machine with 3 pulls. I
promise you the next time I am in a casino, I will try your method of play. I
only wish we had not put all that money in the same machine before we left.
Thanks for the advice.
GOOD ADVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I read your web site yesterday and took your advise on the slots, I went with
rule that I was gonna spend $10.00 I palyed 3 quarters in a machine and won
$50.00. Then I took $5.00 and played the $1.00 slots, I only would play
machines with 3 or 4 pulls went to the next machine and l left with $300.00
dollers from the casino. Thanks for the good advise I needed the LUCKY
winnings for my wedding in October.
THANKS Pam
This is a classic example of what can happen at the slots;
On my last visit to Vegas, March this year, my mother-in-law had given
me 10 dollars and asked me if I would go to the Frontier (sorry for
mentioning that name!!) and put the 10 dollars into a 'Frontier
Gambler' slot machine and told me exactly where to find it! I had no
problem finding the machine but there was a guy (looked to be in his
late 50s early 60s) playing it so I decided to wait until he had
finished and so I bought a beer and stood about 20 ft behind him and
waited......and waited.....!! During the time that I stood and watched
(which was about 45 minutes) the guy took EIGHT hundred dollar bills
out of his pocket and fed them into the machine!! The machine was a
one dollar machine that could take up to 5 coins at a time and he
was playing 5!! The most that I saw him win was 60 dollars. After he
finally finished and before I could reach the machine a lady sat down
and put another 100 bill in.........and also lost it!! When she had
finished I finally got to play my M-I-Ls 10 dollars.....(NOPE, the
machine gobbled it up in a micro-second!!).....but that one machine
had taken NINE hundred dollars in about 50 minutes PLUS all the
winnings that had been put back......amazing!!
I put in 15 quarters in a progressive wild cherry slot and won
$16,660!!!!!!
I do not believe you can only put in one quarter and come out a big
winner. If I had only put in one, my winnings would have amounted to
$250. I do believe you should play with the machine, prime the machine
with one quarter until you feel the time is right (luck).
DELTA DONNA
My reply;
Congratulations I'm very happy for you. I think you have musunderstod my
suggestions. You cannot play a progresive machine unless you play the limit
that allows you access to the progresive jackpot. I think you had better
read my advice again and see the type of machines I am taking about.
As far as priming a machine is concerned they are not built for priming, if
they were everyone would prime them. Please do not get carried away and presume
you have the winning touch. You were purely lucky. Again Congratulations.
At no time do I suggest that playing one quarter will make you a big
winner. I am merely suggesting a style of play that will allow you to have
fun and not get hurt and maybe get lucky. Talk to me on your next 5 visits
and let me know how well you are doing with big jackpots.
Bill Konrad
Thanks for the hints - sounds like good advice - I will try.In the meantime, what about these items:
"teasers"
odds to play single coin for 2 - 3 pulls then max. coins, etc.
rolls that repeat often i.e., all 7's above or below the payline
are real odds important if machine cycles
advice to play $5 max on any nickel machine or $20 max on any
quarter machine - suggested "hit" limits or move on
really "dog" type machines
how to find the "hot" cycle
What about the printed circuit "cycle" board - does anyone know some of
the concepts used to program these EPROM's - completely random or some
cycle/repeat idea?
Thanks for the website.
My Response:
Thanks for your response Cecil. If I may address your "teasers" suggestions.
I have experimented with many variations of coin input, my conclusion is
that it makes no difference. By suggesting single then max. coin input you
are assuming that the program was not designed to detect this kind of play.
If you should win using this tactic it was "pure random" luck.
An example of often repeated results is; Single bar in pay line, Double
symbol above or below pay line and single bar on pay line. To go through
a litany of these kinds of "teaser" results would be an endless task, there
are so many of them.
As for the rest of your "teaser" items, again it is virtually impossible
to list all of the variables in slot play. What I have atempted to do is
present the information I have found to be of value in my own style of play.
These elements I have listed will make your dollar go further and let you
enjoy the slots a little more with the "chance to get a "hit" once in a while.
If anyone has experience that will ensure more enjoyment or more winners at
the slots I have not heard of it. You can buy all kinds of books that will
suggest that if you buy said book you will win at slots. About all you can be
sure of is that the guy selling the book will make money if you buy it.
My page is free and I stick by it's elements as being as close to the best
you can do if you play the way I suggest. You will win and you will lose but
you won't be selling the farm to play the slots. You will probably not get
rich either.
As far as $5.00 Max on nickle machines and $20.00 Max on quarters,
I leave that to you or the player to determine. There is no limit as to
what you as an individual want to play at any machine. When I want to
just sit and play I get a nickle machine and bang away, 5.00 10.00 20.00
It doesn't matter to me, how much can I lose?, but I would not suggest this
to anyone as a style of play.
Hot Machines are where you find them, nobody can tell you where there is a hot
machine or where the house has placed it's "good payout" machines, I beleive
that only the slot manager knows this and he ain't talkin, at least not to me.
The EPROM'S or cycle boards as you call them are still a mystery to me because
if they were perfectly random there would be no pay and take cycles and my
experience, at least on other than Progresives, indicate a pay cycle and a
take cycle. The take pay variable is obviously tied to the number of coins
played over a longer period of time. I would guess that the longer take cycles
make it possible to have relatively short pay cycles. which is probably a function of the software program. I'm only guessing on this and if you have
better data I'd love to hear it. I think the answer lies in the realm of
higher mathematics coupled with programming technology neither of which I'm
familiar with.
I could write a book on slot play but I would only be fooling people to let
them believe there is a consistent winning system, there is not.
I'm always willing to learn something new about slots.
Bill Konrad
Read your web page and you sure hit the nail on the head. It is just luck
but most poeople do not see it that way. I play in Tunica, Miss. at the
Horseshoe and at the Grand. I have won at both but not big. Any free advice.
?? I like the 50 cents machiine and then if i win i will move up to the
dollar.
Thanks.
Melissa
I read your page last week. Acutally the same day I went to the Casino
Queen in St louis. I love the Slots. Anyway I played the dollar machines
and all together i won over 600 dollars thanks for the
advice. Susan
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BM.. ( Iasked her for details and she wrote;
When i got to the Queen I got 10 dollar tokens. Played 1 coin in Double
Diamond and won 335 dollars, cashout and got cash for tokens. Got 10
more tokens and went to 2nd floor and on a red,white and blue ( I think)
put at least 3 to 4 coins in and won 80. cashed out and got ten more. this
is were it got exciting. I went back to the same area as the 1 I won 335
which by the way was a progresive machine and 2 machines down from the
first one. And iIswear on this . on the first coin hit 160, cashed out got
ten more went back to the same machine. on about the 7th or 8th coin hit
140. This all took place in a period of 1 hour or so. I took my winnings
and got the hell out of there. But iIam going back this tuesday for
more.
Firstly, let me say congratulations on such a brilliant page - it is very
informative, honest and to the point - I have not seen another like it on
the web yet.
All the best Daniel.
From: "Kevin J. Thiel"
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 02:54:01 PDT
this is possibly the stupidest thing I have ever read about slots.
I have been in the slot machinne business all of my adult life and
to see such bullshit where anyone can read it is sorely disapointing.
You want it, you got it!!!
Just posting this one to demonstrate that not everyone is in agreement
with my findings. I won't comment on what I think of it, I leave it
to you.
From: PTDTWOSR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 20:23:36 -0400 (EDT)
My experience has been the same.I find the payoffs DO run in cycles with
machines that are keyed to pay off. Others are just sponges.If I get a
machine that keeps me even or better I'll stick with it until it pays a
substantial hit--then run.Like you said its luck,but you can add an edge buy
moving around and leaving GREED at home.Play for fun forget it,I play for
money--just like the casino. Good luck in your play-they have plenty.
PTDTWOSR
From Traml311@aol.com Sat Sep 13 16:11:09 1997
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From: Traml311@aol.com
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:07:13 -0400 (EDT)
To: billk@netcore.ca
Subject: Winning on the first pull?
I just wanted to add my $835 worth...that's how much I'm up after four visits
to the Harrah's complex in St. Louis this year. Once I hit anything that
puts me ahead by $100, I'm gone!
The first $180 came on my ninth pull at a $1 Triple Diamond. I'd been there
less than five minutes.
The next $100 came on my FIRST PULL at the only empty machine on an eight
machine bank of Red, White & Blues. The players to my left cursed and
departed; I think they had been feeding the machine. Tough!
The next $125 came on the FIRST PULL on a $5 Red, White & Blue on the Fourth
of July...I was $20 behind from blackjack and decided to play a $5 RWB
machine just because it was the Fourth of July.
The next $450 came on the FIRST PULL on a $5 Triple Diamond after I got $20
ahead playing $1 Triple Diamonds for 30 minutes.
The next $400 came on the FIRST PULL on a $1 Double Red, White and Blue. I
was $250 behind at the time...from trying to beat the $5 Triple Diamond by
continuing to feed it.
I'm with you...I'll hit a machine with up to five pulls, but if it doesn't
pay by then, NEXT!....and yes, I agree that I've been ridiculously lucky.
Sorry! |
